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7:20 am
July 16, 2010


Peter

Singapore

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Drew,

If I can’t come into a salary agreement with the SRC, then there will be no job.  You can appeal one time as long as you have new information that was not listed on your original application – but if you can't come into an agreement – then you'll have to move on.

I have no idea why accepting an orientation class date comes first.  I have never met anyone who gave it any thought, so I really don't have an opinion about that.  I don't see it as an issue.  Until you sign the salary statement they will not spend any money on moving you to Washington fort training.

If students can’t pass the 16-week IMS class what happens to them?  I believe they get one chance to make up the failed parts.. but as I am not in that career field I do not have an accurate answer.  I will ask some of my colleagues.

I do not know of the DOS English classes.  Again, I will ask around and see if anyone has ever heard of this.

2:13 am
July 14, 2010


DREW60

Hawaii

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Peter,

Got a couple of pre-orientation/IMS class questions for you. (These are "what if" scenario questions):

What if I can’t come into a salary agreement with the SRC? What happens then?

Why is it set up where accepting an orientation class date comes first instead of working out salary negotiations coming first?

If students can’t pass the 16-week IMS class what happens to them?

Within the DOS is it possible that foreign spouses (my wife is Japanese for example) can attend DOS sponsored English language classes?

Thank you.

12:08 pm
June 6, 2010


Peter

Singapore

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Post edited 7:08 am – July 16, 2010 by Peter


Sam, orientation to the Foreign Service is 3 weeks, and it crams a lot in that short time.

They will give you a nice FS book to take home, and I highly recommend you keep it and read it.  OMS training is also 3 weeks, and that seems too short too.   But you will be posted only in positions designed for new hires, and in most cases you will not be working alone.  Most of these slots have a more experienced OMS working along side you.   Be sure that once you get to post you quickly become good friends with the other OMSes in the Embassy.  They will be your lifeline!

Also, and this works for any new hire in any field, the FSN's or Foreign Service Nationals (local hires) following sections are critical to your success and enjoyment at any post.

  • GSO, especially housing!
  • Facilities Maintenance
  • Financial Management, especially the person in charge of time sheets!

Meet them, learn their names, greet them often, and most importantly listen to what they have to tell you!  They have been working at post for many years, and some for many decades!  They know what works, and what doesn't.  If you have some bright new idea to make things better – they have seen it done before.  They will tell you if it works or not.  The sad part about U.S. Government employees is that we feel we have to always IMPROVE some process, as if the current process is never the best solution.  Thus good ideas last a short while and then get reverted to something ugly and ineffective by a new employee.  The FSNs see this cycle all the time!


And never forget the Marines!   Be sure you always greet them each morning with a smile and wish them a "goodnight when you go home.  Often, the same Marine will be there both times, as they often work 12 hour shifts in a small box with stale air, no internet, and usually no reading material.  They have the hardest job of all.


Oh about Pakistan, no language was required, however I did have to take Foreign Affairs Counter Terrorism (FACT) course, which was a week long.  I have a big write-up on this on this blog.  Being assigned to Pakistan is not like any other Embassy, except perhaps Afghanistan or Baghdad.  It's more of a military base!  You'll make a lot more money, but learn less about the Foreign Service.  I don't recommend it as a first tour; I did it because I had already worked within FS as a spouse-hire for 6 years.

11:03 am
June 6, 2010


sludw4oj

Recruit

posts 3

Hi Cyndi! I talked to Khaliah yesterday and she said that Janice was out of the office and would be back on Monday and not to worry! I'm just getting anxious since June 21 is so close! 

And thank you Peter for your response! I'm sad to have to leave my current job but excited to get into the FS. So just orientation is 3 weeks?! Also, did you have to do language training for Pakistan??


Thanks!!!


Sam Laugh


3:47 am
June 6, 2010


Yellow0Flower

Recruit

posts 4

Hi Sam!


It was about 2 weeks before I received the FEDEX package with all of the details.  I emailed Khaliah and asked for "confirmation of receipt" of my acceptance email.  It was not automatic.  She replied right away.


See you soon!


Cyndi

9:07 am
June 5, 2010


Peter

Singapore

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posts 34

Samantha,  Welcome aboard!


The orientation to the Foreign Service is 3 weeks long.  By the end of the 3rd week you will know which post you are being assigned to, and what additional training (language) may be required.  After Orientation, you will immediately start OMS school which is also 3 weeks.  Following OMS school you start the additional language training if required.  


Orientation:  3 weeks

OMS:  3 weeks

Language (if required):  2 to 8 months.


If no language or other additional training is required, you will board a flight to your new post as soon as you finish OMS training.. within a day or two.  Once you are in training you are Uncle Sam's dime, and they want you to start work asap!  Once you get to DC for orientation, your civilian life is over.  You need to end your current job the day you leave for Washington at the latest! Laugh


Peter

11:12 am
June 4, 2010


sludw4oj

Recruit

posts 3

That's great! I can't wait to meet everyone and begin this amazing new experience! Do you remember how long it was between when you accepted the invitation to orientation and then received the acceptance letter in the mail with starting salary, ect.  I got my invitation last Thursday and immediately emailed a YES! but never got a confirmation saying that my email was received…


Sam :)

7:29 pm
June 3, 2010


Yellow0Flower

Recruit

posts 4

Hi Samantha!


I am in the June class as well!


See you in just a few weeks.


Cyndi

12:26 pm
June 2, 2010


sludw4oj

Recruit

posts 3

Rhonda, I've just been accepted to a June class as well (Foreign Service Specialist – OMS)! 


Peter, I've enjoyed reading through your blog! It's given me a lot of great information about what I can expect out of life in the Foreign Service. Last week I was invited to a June orientation and training period at the FSI for OMS. My letter said that this period would be 3 weeks, but do you know how long it usually is between the end of training and when one would leave for post? I'm trying to figure out when would be a good time to end my current job.


Thanks for any information!


Samantha

11:37 pm
April 20, 2010


Peter

Singapore

Admin

posts 34

Hi Rhonda..  congrats on your class-date!

Unfortunately, as far as I know, you can not get your lease cancelation fees reimbursed.  If you were already in the FS, and then had to move overseas then you may be able to get some relief.  Please though take a moment and check to see if your lease has a "military" clause, which allows people to avoid the penalties when being deployed by the military.  The U.S. Foreign Service can use that same clause in many cases.


When you finally get to Washington and start orientation, you will be able to request reimbursement for up to 10 days of lodging and M&IE (Meals & Incidental Expenses) that covers you from the time you pack out your household goods and the time you start training.  If you start training after 7 days from your packout, then you only get the 7 days.  Be sure you keep lodging receipts.  

You can not claim expenses for a rental car, unless it was included in your travel orders bringing you to Washington.  Most people fly to DC, and the government will buy those tickets.  If you wish to travel some other way (rail, private car, bus, boat, rental car.. etc) then you need to work with your HR technician to approve of that mode of travel and see what they will reimburse.


11:51 pm
April 19, 2010


callienme1

Recruit

posts 3

I've been trying to research information regarding the transition from your current life to entry into the Foreign Service.  I can't seem to find anything regarding what might be covered, if anything, prior to your arrival in DC.  For example, I've been invited to the June class, but my lease does not expire until the end of July.  Can I request reimbursement of the money for having to break my lease?  I found that you can request it if you're leaving the US and going overseas, but it didn't say anything about a stop for orientation/training inbetween.  Also, if you have to arrange for your move/pack-out, yet have to remain at your current location for a few days to a week (or so) before departing for DC, will State pay for lodging at your current location?  Or rental car, if you sell your car prior to leaving for DC? 

I'm trying to sort out what I need to cover and what might be reimburseable expenses.

Thanks for any information you can help with!

Rhonda

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